The team leaders are forced to let go of Jay (J. Mascis from Dinosaur Jr.), a valued employee who overstepped his bounds.
- May 19, 2017
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May 19, 2017
- [Boss On Right] Jay, thanks for coming in, appreciate it.
- [Jay] Cool.
- [Boss On Right] It's always good to see you.
- [Jay] Yeah, what's going on?
- I mean, I know that you've been here
a long time Jay, but we can't--
- Just to, sorry to interrupt there, but--
- Just to jump in on that.
I want to just say, I agree absolutely
with what he just said.
- And we do know that Frank brought you on initially,
and we have massive respect for Frank.
Frank's long-gone though, and this is,
it's a new business landscape.
- He has since passed, and unfortunately,
I think the same goes for your time with the company.
That's where we're at today.
- Basically, Jay, what we're saying is, you're fired.
- Like, forever?
- Well we know, if you want to check back in with us
around the holiday, we might need extra help.
- [Middle Boss] We could always use extra help
around the holidays, but right now,
it is looking like, to us,
that this is gonna be on sort of a permanent basis.
For the time being, again, the time probably being forever.
That's what we're looking at at this point, yeah.
- We have disabled your passkey.
You're welcome to keep it, or throw it away.
- Actually, I was gonna...
We actually will, because I don't know if you talked to Ed,
we have a limited amount of electronic passkeys.
So we will need your passkey.
- The information that I was given is that we
have plenty of passkeys.
Are you saying now that--
- I think that's more of an Ed question.
Jay, what's been your experience with Ed?
- I don't think I know Ed.
- You're not familiar with Ed?
- I think that's one of the main problems.
- That's one of the main problems.
- [Middle Boss] That's one of the main problems.
- A lot of people feel like you don't know them.
- Know Ed.
A lot of people have been saying that you don't,
you're not familiar with Ed, you're not talking to Ed.
The thing about that is, you need to be knowing Ed.
You need to be talking to Ed,
you need to be working with Ed, you need to be emailing Ed.
- But Ed is not our business,
he should have been in your life.
- [Middle Boss] Right, we are team leaders.
Someone at your level should be knowing Ed,
And it is, quite frankly, not our job to--
- And I will circle back around with Ed
and make sure that, you're, the next person
who's in your position--
- Actually, if you do get a hold of him,
put him in touch with me,
because I'm just kinda curious what he looks like.
- Let's talk about your performance.
I mean your third quarter numbers,
in our opinion, weren't up to snuff.
- I feel like, I just have a problem looking busy,
which I think is a big thing, you guys.
Yeah it's, I'm getting the job done, but
when you guys pop around maybe I don't look busy or--
- Now is that a conscious decision on your part,
when we pop in and we pop out, are you saying,
"Okay, here are my senior team leaders,
"Seth, Kevin, and Kyle?"
- Well, you know, it's a conscious decision to just
not look busy if I'm not busy, but I guess I'm not too busy,
so it's hard to look--
- Well here's where we're coming from.
The output is, the output of work is great,
I mean, none of us are saying that you're not
a good worker, all right, but for us--
- The numbers reflect that you're
one of our best earners--
Frankly, you're one of our best.
- You're probably the best worker we have here,
it's just when we, you know, when I stop in and say hi,
it doesn't seem like you're doing it.
- Right, and for us, from a team leader perspective,
that's how we know.
We use our eyes to sort of visually check in
with how you seem to be doing,
and we're getting a bad read on that,
that is cause for dismissal.
- I can't stress enough that it's about the eyeball test.
It's about, you know, seeing you
working hard when we pop in, pop out.
- Yeah, I wanted to bring up another thing
that we've sort of found.
In fact, we've been, sort of,
crunching the numbers and looking at the data here,
and we've found that you've been taking
a half-hour lunch break every day.
- Is that correct or--
- And not just on Fridays.
- [Middle Boss] We wanted to give you a chance
to defend yourself, so...
- Uh, it's more, I think I've been taking
an hour and a half lunch break every day.
- [Middle Boss] Every day.
- Now is this connected to the fact
that you get your work done so quickly,
that you feel like you have the time?
- [Jay] Exactly.
- Right, right, so again, um,
that gives off the impression to us, to other...
Because, you see, here's the thing, Jay.
A lot of people look up to you, they respect you.
You know, you've been here a long time. They respect you.
- A lot of the guys--
- A lot of the guys say--
- Say, you know, "Jay's getting' a lot done.
- "I wanna work with Jay."
A lot of people want to work--
- I was in the bathroom the other day, on the toilet,
and so the other men in the bathroom
did not know I was there, and they were
talking about you, positively.
"Wow, Jay's such a great guy."
- [Middle Boss] I heard it too.
I was in the stall next to you.
- He was in the stall next to me,
and we weren't talking, so--
- Later that day, I was in one of the stalls,
they weren't there, but I was looking on my email
on my phone, and a lot of people were praising you
over email, too, saying they want to work with Jay,
they want to, you know, work with Jay.
- And just real quick, Jay, since, you know,
because, most of the time, when we do hear or think
about you, we are in the bathroom, what have...
Have you heard anything about us
while you're in the bathroom?
Not to put you on the spot.
- I prefer to go to the bathroom at home.
- So, are you saying that you leave the office
and go home, you drive home, and go to the bathroom?
Because that would be taking away from working.
- Not often.
- Or that you just hold it all day.
Which we do appreciate.
- I respect that as well. That's an old school--
- Help save on the water bill, but Jay,
in today's business landscape,
% of work gets done in the bathroom.
- Forbes has said that. Business Weekly.
- I've read several articles about the very same thing.
People are mobile.
It's a mobile landscape, you know?
- I don't want to do a biopsy on the dead corpse here,
but maybe if you were in the bathroom a little bit more,
you could have gotten a little...
Formed those relationships, forged those bonds.
- I'm not really a relationship kind of guy, exactly.
- Right, well, speaking of your relationships that,
you know, for example, I know that you've linked up with
Omar in the Toledo office.
We're going to need you...
I know we have let you go officially,
but we are going to need you to go ahead
and finish up the work there, so--
- [ Middle Boss] There's quite a bit of work
left with Omar--
- There's quite a bit of work.
- And, quite frankly, he's not the best worker.
You are better at what we need to get done than he is,
so we are going to need you to finish out that project
without your email, because we did disable it already.
- And I would say, immediately, if that's...
You know, as fast as possible.
- You will be having to work from home.
We'll give you what's known as a burner phone.
It's a phone where you buy minutes.
- You can just snap it in half whenever you're done with it,
and then it's just like it never happened, you know,
there's no paper trail, it's easier that way for us.
- I know that I've never asked you this before Jay,
but are you a family man?
Do you have a family back home?
- Family? Um...
- [Boss On Left] Should be a simple yes or no answer.
- That's a hard one.
Uh, it's a difficult question.
- Are there people who you live with
that are related to you?
- Same last name?
- Or different, or--
- Do you cohabitate with anyone? Take your time.
- I'd rather not talk about this right now.
- [Boss On Right] Okay. That's fine.
- [Boss On Left] Roommates?
- Do you think he has no one?
- I'm concerned that he has someone,
but it's not someone we'd approve of.
- Or someone that could get information,
and use that information.
- Jay, basically, if there's anyone that we can talk to,
from your family unit, if such a unit exists--
- Traditional or nontraditional family.
- And look, we're not here to define
what a family looks like.
- We're not here to judge.
- That's the last thing we need.
- Okay. We'll circle back.
- We'll circle back on that.
- Um, I've made a note, so, Jay,
before we get you out of here,
we get you those burner phones, before we let you go,
we want to ask you a few questions on how you think
our company could improve.
- I like the burner phones.
I like where that's going.
I think that could be a big part of the company.
Everybody has several burner phones.
- You think we could actually transition to more of a...
Instead of the burners--
- More of a prepaid burner system of communication.
- That's interesting. That's very--
- (muttering) Yeah, burners.
- So, look, Jay, we--
- Jay, real quick, could you spell your first name, please?
Just for the record.
- I'll be ready to...
- I usually don't spell my name for people, because,
you know, it could get hacked, or, I don't know.
- That's smart.
That's actually pretty smart.
- I mean, I will say, it has a--
- Actually, we should uh...
- [Middle Boss] We should look into that.
- Look into that.
- If you actually have, not on company time,
but if you have any privacy tips, I feel like I've been
getting a lot of weird emails that are coming from
not this country.
I worry I may be hacked on both
my personal and company email.
- I've been getting calls from the Marriott
about my Marriott Rewards a lot lately.
- [Middle Boss] Are you a member?
- I am a member, but I don't have any
Marriott Reward points.
But they keep, they continue to call me.
- [Middle Boss] That's strange.
- I've actually spent a lot of time recently on
the deep web, the dark web. And that's, I feel like--
- Did that come with the Marriott Rewards?
- Yeah, actually, I think it is one of the perks.
- Is that one of the rewards?
- Oh, is that how you're able to get points?
- [Middle Boss] That's interesting. Interesting.
- [Left Boss] You get access to the dark web.
- Yeah, it gives you a link to download Tor.
- Is that bitcoins?
Are we talking about Bitcoins?
- Bitcoins are present on the dark web.
That's usually how...
I mean, Jay, you might speak to this more than I can, right?
- [Jay] I love bitcoin.
- I know you're a big bitcoin enthusiast,
but can you just speak to, kind of...
I think the three of us are just...
We're not quite sure what bitcoins are.
- Yeah. What is bitcoin?
And I do know, I'm just asking.
- We all do know. This is a test for you.
- You're not really supposed to know.
That's the whole point of it.
- Right, and that's...
- We knew that.
- Great. Thank you for...
- Say I have 25 bitcoins.
What do I..
- [Middle Boss] You take away.
- And then I take away?
- You take away, what? 10?
What, in your mind, would that be?
What would that equal out to?
- Was I fired because of my math skills?
- We know your math skills are actually great.
We just, kind of, while we have you,
we just have been, sort of, tossing this.
- We just want to bend your ear about bitcoin.
- Yeah, we wanted to get your eyes on this problem
that we've been talking about.
- Yeah, I'm not sure what the answer is.
- See, that's exactly what we're talking about.
That's the kind of thing that you shouldn't know.
I'm afraid that kind of knowledge,
though we cherish and value your knowledge,
and we've made a lot of money off of it,
that kind of knowledge is just not
going to fit in with corporate culture.
- Right. It's the culture here, and it's a doggy-dog...
- I thought it was "doggy-dog."
- I thought it was "doggy-dog" as well.
- Is it dog--
- No, that does sound better.
It's a doggy-dog culture here, and, quite frankly,
we've been hiring cats.
- We've got too many cats in the henhouse,
and a lot of the chickens are coming home to roost.
- I'm not a cat person, definitely.
- Well, you know, is it an allergy thing,
or are we talking about, you just--
- It started as an allergy thing,
but then a general hatred.
- [Middle Boss] You grew to hate them.
- You know I've gotta say, Jay,
you're taking this quite well, and to be honest,
I don't mean to put the lights out in the kitchen here--
- [Middle Boss] Put the fear of God in you.
- The fact that you are not upset,
is making me reconsider.
- I definitely had a lot of thoughts, and regrets.
- The cagey aura is something that I've always respected.
My father, and his father before him, were very cagey.
- I do have some other job offers on the table, so...
- Do you? Interesting.
Now, is this something Omar set up?
- [Boss On Left] Did Omar put you up to this, or...
- I can't really say where they're coming from.
- [Boss On Right] You can't say?
- [Middle Boss] This has Omar's stench all over it.
- This has Omar's greasy fingertips.
- It is Omar.
- Okay, as we appreciate you saying that.
- Thank you for coming clean.
- [Boss On Left] We will be contacting him.
- [Middle Boss] We will be having a phone call with him,
if we can track him down.
- Now, where is Omar?
- It's anyone's guess.
Omar, question mark.
- Do you know where Omar is?
- Where is Omar?
- I thought you said he was in Toledo.
- That's right.
- That's officially where he's supposed to be.
A lot of times Omar will find himself--
- So, Omar's a real person though?
It's not... Because sometimes I'll get emails,
and they'll say, "Omar," but it's all capitals,
so I thought, maybe that's--
- Like an OTIS.
- Or like an O-L-E-D phone, or something. I wasn't sure.
Does that stand for something longer?
- It does.
- Omar. So, is Omar a team?
Omar is a team.
- Actually, Jay, I think, you know, we've all,
throughout the course of this conversation,
I think you've changed a lot of hearts and minds,
and based on the amount of work that you do,
and the amount of work we have coming down the pike,
especially in Q3--
- And, I think I know what you're going to say,
and I just want to let you say it.
- We would, we, the team leaders,
would love to bring you back on.
If you have time, we'd like to bring you back on,
on sort of a temp to perm basis.
- [Boss On Right] And there will be a raise.
- There will be a raise.
- It will be a healthy, handsome, beautiful raise.
- I know that you didn't want to specify whether or not
you are a family man, but if you do have a family unit--
- [Middle Boss] Your family will be taken care of,
no questions asked.
- No matter what happens.
Your family will be taken care of.
- I think I could work on looking busier too.
- And that's exactly what we wanted to hear.
- [Middle Boss] This is great.
- You know what?
I think, Jay, we can turn the page on what we were
just discussing, and, you know, start anew.
- Start a new page.
- Welcome aboard.
- [Middle Boss] It's great to have you, Jay.
- [Boss On Right] As always,
it's great to welcome you back.
- Now, before you dive in, there are some logistical things
we want to talk about with the new job.
We did disable your email, so that's going to be a process
to get that back.
- Talk to our guy on the outside.
- I didn't really like email anyway.
- So you would prefer not...
Do you not want us to reinstate it?
- Yeah, I'd just like several burner phones a day.
- The burner phones is actually going to be an issue.
That sort of bumped us.
Burner phones, as much as they are inexpensive,
a lot of them on a regular basis,
that might be not exactly cost effective.
- I think, yeah, what I'm worried about
is the trash piling up.
A lot of burner phone parts being splayed across the floor,
someone could trip, fall, all of a sudden we're
liable for broken arms and ankles.
- As you know, we had to let go of all of our janitors
recently, so there is no custodial staff.
That's on us to sort of--
- We do have someone working on it.
I believe Dale downstairs is--
- The information I received was that
there was no one working on it,
so I'm not quite sure--
- I would love to help with the janitorial stuff,
but I'm really a bad cleaner.
But, you know, if you need my help...
- Us, too. I mean, you can ask my wife.
I'm all thumbs when it comes to cleaning.
- I would make a bigger mess.
I'd make a bigger mess than the original mess.
- Every time I clean I make a bigger mess.
- My daughters, all three of my daughters,
do not like having such a messy father.
- My daughters clean up after me all the time.
Since I've had daughters,
I've never cleaned a thing in my life.
- I haven't been blessed with daughters.
God willing, some day, but I'm sure if I did,
they'd be a mess, and my whole life would be a mess.
- [Boss On Left] How are your daughters doing?
How are they?
- Gina's still in the hospital.
- Now, Gina's the big gal, right?
Well, sorry man, I didn't--
- Well, let's get back to--
- Let's get back to Jay here.
- So, Jay, in your new responsibility,
we don't want you to take any breaks.
- Omar has some new weight-loss cream
that they've been working on.
- This weight-loss cream, now this cream,
this is something that Omar developed in house?
- [Middle Boss] Is this in house, or outsourced?
- Uh, I'm not sure about that.
- Because, if it was China, that's a game,
that's, that's a game changer.
We would love that.
We would love if it was made in China.
- Any cream coming from China is okay by us.
- Now, do you just find it over the counter?
Is it Omar Cream? Is there a different name?
- [Middle Boss] Omar Cream dot com, or...
- I don't think he's put it out there yet.
It's a secret, kind of.
- So Omar Cream dot com is available then?
- [Jay] It might be.
- We should look into purchasing that, maybe, sort of.
- Omar Cream dot com.
- Do we know what that IP address would be
if it was coming from China?
- Uh, I believe--
- I think it would be dot Chinese maybe.
- Well, Jay, you've given us a lot to,
sort of, mull over here, but--
- Lots to chew on.
- And also, a lot to be excited about.
- I think, moving forward, we'd like to open up
communication by the ways and means that we have discussed.
- Look out for an email coming, not to,
I don't mean to, you know, close the lid on your dam
over there, but look out for an email coming from me
about that cream, because then, I'll just, you know,
if you have any information that can help my daughter--
- He is not on email now.
We have stripped him of his email.
- He was actually talking about the burner phone situation.
- Now, if I call his burner phone,
can I call his burner phone from a non-burner?
- [Boss On Left] That is more of an Ed question.
That might be above our pay grade.
- [Middle Boss] Yeah, that's way above my pay grade.
That might be more of an Ed question.
I don't know how you would get in touch with him.
- Now, wait, did we, I'm sorry, does Ed, is Ed still--
- With us?
I thought Ed passed away.
- Oh. Was he the one...
- He may have passed.
- He was the one who had the Malibu trip that went wrong.
- That killed him. Yeah.
I think he fell into the sea.
- But who was it... That was Ed?
- [Middle Boss] Ed was the one who
fell into the sea, I believe.
- Maybe contact his wife.
- Jay, do you know if Ed fell into the sea and passed away?
- Wasn't he mauled by a pack of dogs?
- That's what it was.
- That rings true to me.
- [Middle Boss] It's funny,
because he was such a dog person.
- Yeah, he epitomized the "doggy-dog" world.
- He coined that, I believe.
- We could get in touch with his wife, see if she knows.
- Yeah, let's call, um...
- Her name was, uh...
Maybe we could call Ed's widow
and just see if he's dead or alive.
That would be a great thing for us
to know for Christmas time.
- Jay, we actually need to talk to you about
the burner phone situation.
We've kind of been, we've been,
sort of, crunching the numbers here, and--
- Had a little private counsel.
- A little pow-wow.
- The burner phone thing is, I don't think...
We, I should say, we don't think it's going to work out,
and we are going to have to let you go, I'm afraid, again.
We are going to have to...
This is, it was a bridge too far to suggest,
sort of, investing those kinds of funds in having a new
burner for every phone call that you make.
That is just unfortunately...
That's, unfortunately, just sort of not in our budget.
At least, not until Q4.
- Jay, we really appreciate you coming in today.
- [Middle Boss] Yeah. This is great.
- I think we covered a lot of ground.
- I feel great, yeah.
- I feel great. Do you feel good?
- I think I looked pretty busy the whole time,
so yeah, I feel pretty good about it.
- And we did take note of that.
- Those are in our notes,
and we will be reviewing the notes, you know,
multiple times a day, until we--
- Until the cows come home, so--
- All right Jay.
- [Middle Boss] Jay. Thanks for coming in.
- All right.
- [Boss On Right] Best of luck to you.
- [Boss On Left] Best of luck.
You know where the exits are.
You just go straight out those,
and you'll be out of the office.
- You'll be out of the office, and just kind of keep going,
I guess, to your car, and then...
- We'll be in touch about the cream.
- (Boss on Right bangs his elbow) Ow.
- See, this one doesn't say anything on it.
Is that going to be a...
- Well, I think it's, uh...
- [Boss On Left] No, get...
You know what, just get rid of it.
- [Middle Boss] Yeah, get rid of it.
- [Boss On Right] You don't want a paper trail.